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Posted: 05 August 2010 12:10 PM   [ Ignore ]
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WAFL Whispers - Derby downturn dilemma
The West Australian August 5, 2010, 10:41 am

WAFL Whispers - Derby downturn dilemma

East Fremantle budgeted for 4000 spectators, seasoned observers predicted a crowd of 8000 and some excitable media types even suggested 10,000 might watch the derby at East Fremantle Oval.

Given the traditional rivalry between the two clubs, the absence of any AFL or other WAFL football on the day, fine weather and the fact that the winner would bolster their chances of playing in September, the sizeable figures appeared quite feasible.

All of which makes the eventual attendance of just 2792 - the 12th highest crowd of the season - all the more mystifying and disappointing.

It is difficult to imagine why so few people turned up at Shark Park, though harsh experience might be a factor given how poorly the decrepit facility caters for any half-decent crowd, but questions need to be asked about the measly promotion of the match.

The West Australian and thewest.com.au had plenty of stories on the morning of the match but plenty of media people were left scratching their heads when the WAFL’s promotion department did not mention the potential blockbuster in their pre-match publicity.

In fact, some were completely baffled that the only release late in the week was an irrelevant puff piece on the West Perth-Claremont game to be played at Steel Blue Oval later this month which made the erroneous claim that it was the first double-header in WAFL history.

New East Fremantle chief executive Adam Kelly was caught on the horns of a dilemma before his first Fremantle derby last Saturday.

Kelly played more than 300 matches for the Tyntynder Bulldogs in the Central Murray League and so it is not surprising that his five-year-old son is keen to support any other Bulldogs outfit.

“It was pretty hard telling him that we had to barrack against the Bulldogs last week,” Kelly revealed before the game against South Fremantle.

But worse was to come.

“He is absolutely petrified of sharks so it has been a bit of a challenge to get him to come over when he discovered what East Fremantle’s nickname was,” Kelly said.

“Still, I think we have had a win because he is now a Sharks fan and knows there is nothing better than to beat the Bulldogs.” East Freo didn’t let their new chief down on Saturday, surviving the derby by 12 points to improve their chances of playing finals.

The modest turn-up included a very select group who experienced the biggest crowd in WA football history - and that is not a fallacious claim.

In 1979, East Fremantle beat South Fremantle before a grand final crowd of 52,781 people packed into every crack and crevice of Subiaco Oval.

No WA footy crowd has come close to that size again and given the tepid prospects of a new football stadium exceeding a capacity of 50,000 - if it is ever built, that is - it may remain the record for many decades to come.

Guests at lunch on Saturday included a few of that grand final team, starting with Ian Thomson, Jim Sewell, Tony Buhagiar, Peter LeCras and Wayne Cormack.

LeCras is the father of West Coast star Mark and West Perth’s Brent who was at the game with his dad and son.

And Cormack still has to ask his former team-mates what happened that day because he was flattened early in the match by South’s Dale Reeves and has no memory of the win nor the match.

Other premiership veterans in attendance included 1985 captain-coach Ron Alexander and 1974 back pocket John Grljusich who was heard to ask when the club might get around to organising a full reunion of that team.

An interested onlooker at the derby was former Sydney and Richmond defender Darren Gaspar who started his career with South Freo before carving out 228 matches for the two AFL clubs.

One of three brothers to play AFL - Damien spent four years at Melbourne and is now East Fremantle’s football manager while Travis played for West Coast this decade - the defender was the No.1 draft pick in 1993 but ended his career under a cloud when he quit mid-season as Richmond struggled in 2007.

Gaspar bobbed up again on Sunday when he joined former West Perth ruckman Basil Zempilas on Channel 7 as the two talking heads discussing the second derby of the weekend.

Also celebrating their 20 year reunion was East Freo’s 1990 colts team. That side included three players who would make their mark at league level with senior premierships within the next few years - ruckman Justin Sanders, wingman Jon Stagg and utility Glen Davies.

Stagg had a remarkable career in which he played 100 matches in both league and reserves and won flags in both.
In 1994, he won the Prendergast Medal as the best player in the reserves competition despite playing just six games then was part of the league premiership team that season.

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Posted: 05 August 2010 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Pathetic of the WAFC for there lack of promotion…

Only positive was that for once in f**k knows how long, the members bar DIDN’T run of out of beer...given the results, trust me it was the only highlight for us SF guys!

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Posted: 05 August 2010 12:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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SFFC4ever - 05 August 2010 12:13 PM

Pathetic of the WAFC for there lack of promotion…

Only positive was that for once in f**k knows how long, the members bar DIDN’T run of out of beer...given the results, trust me it was the only highlight for us SF guys!

yep very true re beers - I would say they over catered considering the place was near empty.

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Posted: 05 August 2010 02:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The wafc shouldnt have put the game on tv they should have put the Sunday game on tv and we would have got a crowd.

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Posted: 05 August 2010 04:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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not sure what more ef could of done - as they catered for everything from the members area to the oval side as well.
but where were the supporters???????????

collingwood v’s carlton on tv did not help.

abc have committments to televise a game every saturday - WAFC needed to promote this fixture fullstop!!!!!

supporters know when a foundation day derby is on obviously but derbies either side of this need to be promoted otherwise the public would not have a clue.

thank christ we didnt run out piss.

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Posted: 05 August 2010 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Poor effort all round re the derby. I woulld like to know wat promotion was done by both cllub and WAFL. Its a bit hard to keep this compe going if the people that run it dont want to tell punters when matches are on.

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Posted: 05 August 2010 10:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Look ts a whole combination of factors..

The fact that it was a frem v wce derby weekend has a huge impact - the fact is a lot of people just say well Im going the the big game sunday , cant be stuffed going to wafl as well,,and bearing in fact it was a frem home game that would of knocked a few thousand off the crowd..

ABC live knocks a few more off no doubt about it.

EF have a a shrinking supporter base now for well over 10 year, if you look at their attendances they among the lowest in the league ..they got hit harder by the entry of thr dockers in the comp than sf ,,who also have lost a lot of regulars due to afl.

promotion was dismal. but lets face it the WAFL has slid back again this year,the public interest is just not there across the board.

2700 at a do or die derby with perfect weather is nothing short of dismal.

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Posted: 05 August 2010 10:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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also to note last years foundation day derby had 11000 attend yet this year there was 8000 which is still a great turn out but why 3000 less when we had perfect weather as well?
is it cos freo are doing better?
will next years crowd dwindle as well - is it cos of the dockers success or if they don’’t perform as well next year will the foundation day crowd increase on 8000?

time will tell

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Posted: 05 August 2010 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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As s&s stated I think the Freo/WC derby being on the same weekend and live coverage by the ABC would have kept many away.

Shame really.

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Posted: 06 August 2010 07:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Strono - 05 August 2010 10:57 PM

also to note last years foundation day derby had 11000 attend yet this year there was 8000 which is still a great turn out but why 3000 less when we had perfect weather as well?
is it cos freo are doing better?
will next years crowd dwindle as well - is it cos of the dockers success or if they don’’t perform as well next year will the foundation day crowd increase on 8000?

time will tell

Yep if you look at the stats over the last 10 years or so, if the dockers are doing well attendances allways fall for the two freo clubs…

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Posted: 06 August 2010 09:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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swans&south - 06 August 2010 07:55 AM

Strono - 05 August 2010 10:57 PM
also to note last years foundation day derby had 11000 attend yet this year there was 8000 which is still a great turn out but why 3000 less when we had perfect weather as well?
is it cos freo are doing better?
will next years crowd dwindle as well - is it cos of the dockers success or if they don’’t perform as well next year will the foundation day crowd increase on 8000?

time will tell

Yep if you look at the stats over the last 10 years or so, if the dockers are doing well attendances allways fall for the two freo clubs...

Will be interesting to see what sort of crowd the claytons derby gets at Leedo tomorrow. It’s the ABC broadcast game, will be perfect weather and both teams fighting for a finals spot, so amazingly similar to last weeks derby. The Eages play directly after at 5.40 so that may have an impact.
Crowd prediction? 4,500. 3000 of which will most likely be munchers as they do travel well and love to visit their old home turf.

Subi look forward to welcoming the Cardies faithful at the club bar, as, although you’d hate to pass your hard earned over Subi’s bar, I think most cardies supporters would rather slit their collective wrists than hand it to the Ferals. grin

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Posted: 06 August 2010 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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The Worst have a crack at every thing so would “read to much into their comments”
What sort of promo can be done-christ its written on websites and by The West itself,WAFL fans have there fixtures so would be well aware of the game.Putting it on TV had to be the reason-thats why didnt go-even though impartial i would of gone if not on the box.
May be fans from both clubs need a rocket up thjere clackers-Support your team

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swans&south - 06 August 2010 07:55 AM
Strono - 05 August 2010 10:57 PM
also to note last years foundation day derby had 11000 attend yet this year there was 8000 which is still a great turn out but why 3000 less when we had perfect weather as well?
is it cos freo are doing better?
will next years crowd dwindle as well - is it cos of the dockers success or if they don’’t perform as well next year will the foundation day crowd increase on 8000?

time will tell

Yep if you look at the stats over the last 10 years or so, if the dockers are doing well attendances allways fall for the two freo clubs...

Will be interesting to see what sort of crowd the claytons derby gets at Leedo tomorrow. It’s the ABC broadcast game, will be perfect weather and both teams fighting for a finals spot, so amazingly similar to last weeks derby. The Eages play directly after at 5.40 so that may have an impact.
Crowd prediction? 4,500. 3000 of which will most likely be munchers as they do travel well and love to visit their old home turf.

Subi look forward to welcoming the Cardies faithful at the club bar, as, although you’d hate to pass your hard earned over Subi’s bar, I think most cardies supporters would rather slit their collective wrists than hand it to the Ferals. grin

EP have got quite a few - I reckon close to 3000

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Posted: 06 August 2010 02:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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FalconMagic - 06 August 2010 01:45 PM

The Worst have a crack at every thing so would “read to much into their comments”
What sort of promo can be done-christ its written on websites and by The West itself,WAFL fans have there fixtures so would be well aware of the game.Putting it on TV had to be the reason-thats why didnt go-even though impartial i would of gone if not on the box.
May be fans from both clubs need a rocket up thjere clackers-Support your team

no dont agree - the west have been very supportive of wafl esp last year

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SFFC4ever - 05 August 2010 12:13 PM

Pathetic of the WAFC for there lack of promotion…

Only positive was that for once in f**k knows how long, the members bar DIDN’T run of out of beer...given the results, trust me it was the only highlight for us SF guys!

lack of promotion - get real sunshine.
do you really think cos it’s a “"""derby"""" you should get the airwaves of promotion.
arrogance has no abounds.
98% of the pop. couldnt give a rats arse

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Posted: 06 August 2010 10:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Its a topic we have been to before and deserves another go.
Many Gossers have put forward brilliant idea’s as to how we improve our Public image and PR.

The way I see it maybe it is up to the clubs to do a bit of promotion instead of having a go at the WAFL. Swans from memory put a few ads up (the fore runners again) and it was good to see. Having said that though publicity costs money and maybe the WAFL should look at a grant to the clubs for PR… $20000 per club would be a nice start.
The clubs could use this in Community newspapers for a start and and maybe the West.
A couple of ads during shows on Thursday or Friday wouldnt go down bad either.
Now is it means an extra 500-1000 to games it would follow on from there with an improvement each week with supporters seeing how good WAFL FOOTY is.

I dont know if the WAFL has a publicity officer but if so they should get rid of that person ASAP as he/she is not doing their job.

They could of had a couple of thousand more at the EF V SF game with a bit of publicity…

as they say “ Piss Poor Planning Promotes Poor Performance”

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