BHP and other sponsers do help out but Swans made some intelligent business decisions outside of football e.g real estate that has really put them in good stead for the future plus the fact weve had a lot of kids get drafted in the last few years.
As for unhappy players well the message has been clear from the second Dawson took over “If your not willing to put in the hard work go elsewhere” and he got rid of a lot of dead wood. Wolfenden is a prime example not tall not build like a footballer but gives 110% when he puts on that jumper hence the fact he gets a league game everyweek.
Leek Wolfendon is a perfect example of a player who tried to move to WP and one other club i do beleive because he is not happy! Only a contract that Swans wouldnt allow him to break has kept him at the club.
I think that 110% he gives may be reduced to about 75% productivity!
I/man
Perhaps you might like to do some research of Swans in the last 2-3 seasons and care to have a look at the number of:
(i) reserves and colts players we have played each season;
(ii) check the number of first year players (local) we have introduced to our league team; and
(iii) the number of players who have been drafted
Once you have ascertained the FACTS we would expect a complete, unreserved and unambiguos apology.
Swan, 9 players out of your starting 18, thats half, are recruited players that take up more then 72 points out of a possible 130.
All 9 players would be getting paid huge amounts and if you can tell me thats all in the cap your kidding yourself.
If Swans win a flag, which they should and will under achieve if they dont, it should be the hollowest of all flags ever won. It may be placed in the to hard basket to audit the club by the WAFC be we all know Swans are killing clubs like Peel, WP & Perth and it must be stopped.
Stand up WAFC and stat dec all the players as this latest addition is now taking the piss!
From a Subiaco supporter the hypocrisy of your comments is mind numbing. Name the 9 players and their supposed pay scales. If you are talking of Messrs Twomey, Gaeppen and Robinson you are deluding yourself. Interestingly I thought teams had 22 players not 18.
BHP and other sponsers do help out but Swans made some intelligent business decisions outside of football e.g real estate that has really put them in good stead for the future plus the fact weve had a lot of kids get drafted in the last few years.
As for unhappy players well the message has been clear from the second Dawson took over “If your not willing to put in the hard work go elsewhere” and he got rid of a lot of dead wood. Wolfenden is a prime example not tall not build like a footballer but gives 110% when he puts on that jumper hence the fact he gets a league game everyweek.
Leek Wolfendon is a perfect example of a player who tried to move to WP and one other club i do beleive because he is not happy! Only a contract that Swans wouldnt allow him to break has kept him at the club.
I think that 110% he gives may be reduced to about 75% productivity!
I/man
Perhaps you might like to do some research of Swans in the last 2-3 seasons and care to have a look at the number of:
(i) reserves and colts players we have played each season;
(ii) check the number of first year players (local) we have introduced to our league team; and
(iii) the number of players who have been drafted
Once you have ascertained the FACTS we would expect a complete, unreserved and unambiguos apology.
Swan, 9 players out of your starting 18, thats half, are recruited players that take up more then 72 points out of a possible 130.
All 9 players would be getting paid huge amounts and if you can tell me thats all in the cap your kidding yourself.
If Swans win a flag, which they should and will under achieve if they dont, it should be the hollowest of all flags ever won. It may be placed in the to hard basket to audit the club by the WAFC be we all know Swans are killing clubs like Peel, WP & Perth and it must be stopped.
Stand up WAFC and stat dec all the players as this latest addition is now taking the piss!
From a Subiaco supporter the hypocrisy of your comments is mind numbing. Name the 9 players and their supposed pay scales. If you are talking of Messrs Twomey, Gaeppen and Robinson you are deluding yourself. Interestingly I thought teams had 22 players not 18.
Swan, First of all last time i checked 18 can only play on the field at any one time as quoted ‘9 players out of your starting 18’.
Secondly, Subi supporter??? Your waddling in the wrong lake!
Thirdly, please see the below done by Cust on another page. All the evidence you need!
Cust thread
As I see it Swans would appear to be under the 130 points cap unless i have missed some other players that have been recruited from outside the local district (assuming these players are all listed with Swans).
Andrew Krakouer - 11 points
Tom Roach - 10 points
Matt Riggio - 10 points
Ben Colreavy - 7 points
Spaanderman - 6 points
Ipaviz - 5 points
Ingall - 5 points
Gaeppen - 5 points
Robinson - 5 points
Davis - 5 points
Jai Mengola - 3 points
upto 44 local district products - 44 points
TOTAL 116 points
Independentosser Ingall hasnt played at Swans for 2 or 3 years & Davis was an allocation on our list from his days at WCE. So theres a few more points freed up for us & we are still way under the 130 points anyway so whats your problem??? The only unbelievable thing about this whole thread is the fact you reckon you have mates let alone ones at Swans
Independentosser Ingall hasnt played at Swans for 2 or 3 years & Davis was an allocation on our list from his days at WCE. So theres a few more points freed up for us & we are still way under the 130 points anyway so whats your problem??? The only unbelievable thing about this whole thread is the fact you reckon you have mates let alone ones at Swans
I think that you will find that Davis as an ex AFL rookie recruited from NSW is worth 6 points. The issue is not whether a player is currently still playing but whether he is listed? Is Ingall still on Swans list?
BHP and other sponsers do help out but Swans made some intelligent business decisions outside of football e.g real estate that has really put them in good stead for the future plus the fact weve had a lot of kids get drafted in the last few years.
As for unhappy players well the message has been clear from the second Dawson took over “If your not willing to put in the hard work go elsewhere” and he got rid of a lot of dead wood. Wolfenden is a prime example not tall not build like a footballer but gives 110% when he puts on that jumper hence the fact he gets a league game everyweek.
Leek Wolfendon is a perfect example of a player who tried to move to WP and one other club i do beleive because he is not happy! Only a contract that Swans wouldnt allow him to break has kept him at the club.
I think that 110% he gives may be reduced to about 75% productivity!
I/man
Perhaps you might like to do some research of Swans in the last 2-3 seasons and care to have a look at the number of:
(i) reserves and colts players we have played each season;
(ii) check the number of first year players (local) we have introduced to our league team; and
(iii) the number of players who have been drafted
Once you have ascertained the FACTS we would expect a complete, unreserved and unambiguos apology.
Swan, 9 players out of your starting 18, thats half, are recruited players that take up more then 72 points out of a possible 130.
All 9 players would be getting paid huge amounts and if you can tell me thats all in the cap your kidding yourself.
If Swans win a flag, which they should and will under achieve if they dont, it should be the hollowest of all flags ever won. It may be placed in the to hard basket to audit the club by the WAFC be we all know Swans are killing clubs like Peel, WP & Perth and it must be stopped.
Stand up WAFC and stat dec all the players as this latest addition is now taking the piss!
From a Subiaco supporter the hypocrisy of your comments is mind numbing. Name the 9 players and their supposed pay scales. If you are talking of Messrs Twomey, Gaeppen and Robinson you are deluding yourself. Interestingly I thought teams had 22 players not 18.
Swan, First of all last time i checked 18 can only play on the field at any one time as quoted ‘9 players out of your starting 18’.
Secondly, Subi supporter??? Your waddling in the wrong lake!
Thirdly, please see the below done by Cust on another page. All the evidence you need!
Cust thread
As I see it Swans would appear to be under the 130 points cap unless i have missed some other players that have been recruited from outside the local district (assuming these players are all listed with Swans).
Andrew Krakouer - 11 points
Tom Roach - 10 points
Matt Riggio - 10 points
Ben Colreavy - 7 points
Spaanderman - 6 points
Ipaviz - 5 points
Ingall - 5 points
Gaeppen - 5 points
Robinson - 5 points
Davis - 5 points
Jai Mengola - 3 points
upto 44 local district products - 44 points
TOTAL 116 points
You can call me silly, but I’m starting to think that Swans upper echelon have scant regard for the WAFL’s salary cap. Whilst there is little doubt in my mind that a number of clubs have been flaunting the cap for some time Peach/Parker and others seem to have taken this to embarrassing levels.
Surely this will only enhance the pain you feel when under achieving again in 2010.
Take the below list for informed and conservative estimate of where your cap is going:
Robinson: 25k
Twomey: 20k
Geappen: 20k
Colreavy:40k (i didn’t believe it either but a very well informed source has assured me this is on or around the mark)
Krakour: 15k
Davis: 15k (Ex AFL players do not play in the WAFL for less than this as an absolute minimum)
Riggio: 15k (As above)
Roach: 15k ( As Above)
Spaanderman: 15k at least
Roberts: 15k (deserves more but I suggest that the club is again preferring to pay the interstaters before the best of their own, club captain, 2 time B and F)
Spencer: 10k (Another conservative estimate given his return home from AFL ranks)
Lammie : 10k (Looked at a move elsehwere and lifted his value. Cash under the table will play a part in his contract)
Thats 215k and does not include the likes of Ames, Wolfenden (another who increased his value by shopping himself around between seasons), Taylor who returns, Menengola and the remainder of the list who will all be paid to play.
It starts to beg the question a few have been asking for a while - why does the WAFL bother with a cap????
You can call me silly, but I’m starting to think that Swans upper echelon have scant regard for the WAFL’s salary cap. Whilst there is little doubt in my mind that a number of clubs have been flaunting the cap for some time Peach/Parker and others seem to have taken this to embarrassing levels.
Surely this will only enhance the pain you feel when under achieving again in 2010.
Take the below list for informed and conservative estimate of where your cap is going:
Robinson: 25k
Twomey: 20k
Geappen: 20k
Colreavy:40k (i didn’t believe it either but a very well informed source has assured me this is on or around the mark)
Krakour: 15k
Davis: 15k (Ex AFL players do not play in the WAFL for less than this as an absolute minimum)
Riggio: 15k (As above)
Roach: 15k ( As Above)
Spaanderman: 15k at least
Roberts: 15k (deserves more but I suggest that the club is again preferring to pay the interstaters before the best of their own, club captain, 2 time B and F)
Spencer: 10k (Another conservative estimate given his return home from AFL ranks)
Lammie : 10k (Looked at a move elsehwere and lifted his value. Cash under the table will play a part in his contract)
Thats 215k and does not include the likes of Ames, Wolfenden (another who increased his value by shopping himself around between seasons), Taylor who returns, Menengola and the remainder of the list who will all be paid to play.
It starts to beg the question a few have been asking for a while - why does the WAFL bother with a cap????
You can call me silly, but I’m starting to think that Swans upper echelon have scant regard for the WAFL’s salary cap. Whilst there is little doubt in my mind that a number of clubs have been flaunting the cap for some time Peach/Parker and others seem to have taken this to embarrassing levels.
Surely this will only enhance the pain you feel when under achieving again in 2010.
Take the below list for informed and conservative estimate of where your cap is going:
Robinson: 25k
Twomey: 20k
Geappen: 20k
Colreavy:40k (i didn’t believe it either but a very well informed source has assured me this is on or around the mark)
Krakour: 15k
Davis: 15k (Ex AFL players do not play in the WAFL for less than this as an absolute minimum)
Riggio: 15k (As above)
Roach: 15k ( As Above)
Spaanderman: 15k at least
Roberts: 15k (deserves more but I suggest that the club is again preferring to pay the interstaters before the best of their own, club captain, 2 time B and F)
Spencer: 10k (Another conservative estimate given his return home from AFL ranks)
Lammie : 10k (Looked at a move elsehwere and lifted his value. Cash under the table will play a part in his contract)
Thats 215k and does not include the likes of Ames, Wolfenden (another who increased his value by shopping himself around between seasons), Taylor who returns, Menengola and the remainder of the list who will all be paid to play.
It starts to beg the question a few have been asking for a while - why does the WAFL bother with a cap????
Surely Pratt, a former Freo player, would be on 50K, Ames would be on 40K, Casserley 75K it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Of course Chick would have been on $500, Read on $250, Smith on $10.50.
You can call me silly, but I’m starting to think that Swans upper echelon have scant regard for the WAFL’s salary cap. Whilst there is little doubt in my mind that a number of clubs have been flaunting the cap for some time Peach/Parker and others seem to have taken this to embarrassing levels.
Surely this will only enhance the pain you feel when under achieving again in 2010.
Take the below list for informed and conservative estimate of where your cap is going:
Robinson: 25k
Twomey: 20k
Geappen: 20k
Colreavy:40k (i didn’t believe it either but a very well informed source has assured me this is on or around the mark)
Krakour: 15k
Davis: 15k (Ex AFL players do not play in the WAFL for less than this as an absolute minimum)
Riggio: 15k (As above)
Roach: 15k ( As Above)
Spaanderman: 15k at least
Roberts: 15k (deserves more but I suggest that the club is again preferring to pay the interstaters before the best of their own, club captain, 2 time B and F)
Spencer: 10k (Another conservative estimate given his return home from AFL ranks)
Lammie : 10k (Looked at a move elsehwere and lifted his value. Cash under the table will play a part in his contract)
Thats 215k and does not include the likes of Ames, Wolfenden (another who increased his value by shopping himself around between seasons), Taylor who returns, Menengola and the remainder of the list who will all be paid to play.
It starts to beg the question a few have been asking for a while - why does the WAFL bother with a cap????
Surely Pratt, a former Freo player, would be on 50K, Ames would be on 40K, Casserley 75K it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Of course Chick would have been on $500, Read on $250, Smith on $10.50.
You make a good point Swan 42 - Pratt and Casserley were missed. The total just keeps going up and up and up.
I’m not a Subi supporter, just a keen observer of WA footy and I have no doubt that clubs have ignored the cap in the past but surely the complete disregard that team Black Duck now show for the cap is borderin on comical.
Is all the money from BHP reaching the targets that they believe or is it being redirected in brown paper bags to the players via the slithering snakes in the football department?!?!?!?
You can call me silly, but I’m starting to think that Swans upper echelon have scant regard for the WAFL’s salary cap. Whilst there is little doubt in my mind that a number of clubs have been flaunting the cap for some time Peach/Parker and others seem to have taken this to embarrassing levels.
Surely this will only enhance the pain you feel when under achieving again in 2010.
Take the below list for informed and conservative estimate of where your cap is going:
Robinson: 25k
Twomey: 20k
Geappen: 20k
Colreavy:40k (i didn’t believe it either but a very well informed source has assured me this is on or around the mark)
Krakour: 15k
Davis: 15k (Ex AFL players do not play in the WAFL for less than this as an absolute minimum)
Riggio: 15k (As above)
Roach: 15k ( As Above)
Spaanderman: 15k at least
Roberts: 15k (deserves more but I suggest that the club is again preferring to pay the interstaters before the best of their own, club captain, 2 time B and F)
Spencer: 10k (Another conservative estimate given his return home from AFL ranks)
Lammie : 10k (Looked at a move elsehwere and lifted his value. Cash under the table will play a part in his contract)
Thats 215k and does not include the likes of Ames, Wolfenden (another who increased his value by shopping himself around between seasons), Taylor who returns, Menengola and the remainder of the list who will all be paid to play.
It starts to beg the question a few have been asking for a while - why does the WAFL bother with a cap????
Surely Pratt, a former Freo player, would be on 50K, Ames would be on 40K, Casserley 75K it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Of course Chick would have been on $500, Read on $250, Smith on $10.50.
You make a good point Swan 42 - Pratt and Casserley were missed. The total just keeps going up and up and up.
I’m not a Subi supporter, just a keen observer of WA footy and I have no doubt that clubs have ignored the cap in the past but surely the complete disregard that team Black Duck now show for the cap is borderin on comical.
Is all the money from BHP reaching the targets that they believe or is it being redirected in brown paper bags to the players via the slithering snakes in the football department?!?!?!?
Perhaps you would like to compare and contrast with say the Subiaco squads of 2007, 2008 and 2009. Also, could you please explain what a ‘keen observer of WA footy’ means in the context of: how long you have been watching WAFL games; which club(s) have you seen the most; at which WAFL ground would you have watched the most WAFL games.
Irregardless who we support the ‘cap’ has been breached many times by many Clubs. Remember The Brian Ciccotosto brown paper bag fiasco?
But the problem with Swans is are we spending too much of the BHP money, as Hippo Lips, says, in the area’s it was not designed for?
And not using it to secure our future?
Will the current board put us in the situation we had back in 2000, about to go broke?
You can call me silly, but I’m starting to think that Swans upper echelon have scant regard for the WAFL’s salary cap. Whilst there is little doubt in my mind that a number of clubs have been flaunting the cap for some time Peach/Parker and others seem to have taken this to embarrassing levels.
Surely this will only enhance the pain you feel when under achieving again in 2010.
Take the below list for informed and conservative estimate of where your cap is going:
Robinson: 25k
Twomey: 20k
Geappen: 20k
Colreavy:40k (i didn’t believe it either but a very well informed source has assured me this is on or around the mark)
Krakour: 15k
Davis: 15k (Ex AFL players do not play in the WAFL for less than this as an absolute minimum)
Riggio: 15k (As above)
Roach: 15k ( As Above)
Spaanderman: 15k at least
Roberts: 15k (deserves more but I suggest that the club is again preferring to pay the interstaters before the best of their own, club captain, 2 time B and F)
Spencer: 10k (Another conservative estimate given his return home from AFL ranks)
Lammie : 10k (Looked at a move elsehwere and lifted his value. Cash under the table will play a part in his contract)
Thats 215k and does not include the likes of Ames, Wolfenden (another who increased his value by shopping himself around between seasons), Taylor who returns, Menengola and the remainder of the list who will all be paid to play.
It starts to beg the question a few have been asking for a while - why does the WAFL bother with a cap????
If you assume the average Swans first team player plays 18 games a year, that’s just a touch over $800 a game ( for a player on $15K without including finals).
If finals are included in that 15K, the sum comes down to under $800.00 a game.
Some of those players might get double that in the country, wiythout training.
