Hey Goodie love that pic! Boucher and Mossy eh, great days - one more valid point of having a west coast and dockers side in the WAFL is getting the players used to each other. If you look at the draftees from the WAFL and you get for example 3 from Claremont, 2 from East Freo, 3 from Subi and so on the only time those players play along side each other is when their WAFL sides meet, its so stupid!

If they play in the same team at a young age there is camaraderie, they also grow up knowing each others style and so when they’re ready to join the ranks at an AFL level they know each others game backwards and surely that is a bonus for WA footy???

I believe it has helped Collingwood and Geelong having sides in the VFL, the depth at both teams is enviable.

There is an argument of WAFL teams losing fans, for example if you follow West Perth AND west coast you could leave WP and now support the eagles WAFL side but I cant see that happening. I support Claremont and Richmond, west coast is my secone side in the WAFL but there is no way I would leave Claremont and support them, no way in hell.

All AFL based Melbourne sides are aligned with a side in the VFL:

Geelong - Geelong
Collingwood - Collingwood
Hawthorn - Box Hill
North Melb - North Ballarat
Richmond - Coburg
Melbourne - Casey
Carlton - Northern Bullants
St Kilda - Sandringham
Western Bulldogs - Williamstown
Essendon - Bendigo

Next year the new Gold Coast side will be in the VFL.

Top 4 sides 2009 - all from Melbourne
Premier last 3 years - all from Melbourne
Top 8 from 2009 - 6 from Melbourne

The Melbourne based sides are getting better and it’s time WA woke up!

I have a better idea **** off Peel and revert it back to an eight team comp, and if the Wafc had better fixturing ie: dont have Wafl games clashing with Wcoast and Freo games it would help crowds as well, the day they allow reserves teams from Wcoast and Freo into the wafl is the day i stop going to the WAFL, i reckon it would have the opposite effect on crowds as alot of traditional Wafl supporters would stay away.

TIGER,I admire your Enthusiasm mate,but the ideas won’t get up.Because the change you suggest is a NO BRAINER.Whichever way you look at it,they just won’t work.And the 9 clubs would All Baulk at it.

The other problem you have is the SELF INTEREST WEST COAST and FREMANTLE have shown in Regards to the WAFL.Seriously mate,FREMANTLE showed their TRUE COLOURS in regards to their Co Tenant with their FOUNDATION DAY Suggestion.ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS which Deserved to be THROWN in the BIN the second the suggestion came up.

Whilst I would admire your Loyalty in supporting CLAREMONT 1st,the reality is,others wouldn’t.Whilst OKEY and your PP & OA would Hold the FORTE,many youger ones would drop off or simply take the easy option.

On a slighter different scale,that’s precisely what happened to PORT.It should never have beeen allowed to happen,but many younger fans simply don’t appreciate or respect History and the SANFL CLUB has SUFFERED GREATLY for it,......to the point of NEAR EXTINCTION.Their relationship with the AFL Club has never been a Cosy one,because the attitude from the AFL Club has been DISGRACEFULL.SELF INTEREST came first instead of DUE RESPECT.

So whilst your enthusiasm with your ideas seem genuine,please don’t think the ATTITUDE of the 2 AFL Clubs here would be the same.FAR FROM IT!Their TRACK RECORD in relating to the WAFL is PROOF of that.Still NEVER Heard NISBETT and Co SCREAM OUT from the ROOFTOPS to URGE BETTER SUPPORT for the WAFL from Eagles Fans.

NEVER in 22 years!PROOF ENOUGH for you?

TIGER10 - 26 December 2009 11:16 AM

Well gents I have heard all the arguments over the years and I still believe this is the way to go and wont be convinced otherwise. Maybe you are just anti AFL? or opposed to change??

There are solutions to all problems. At the end of the day this would be a great move for WA football for the following reasons:

- More team morale at both WA AFL teams
- Better crowds to WAFL games
- Improved standard of WAFL games
- Important exposure for WAFL level players to better standard of players

I could go on and I have no doubt for every good point I raise you guys could come up with a bad point. A problem like lack of players due to injury would be overcome by the approval of a larger squad. Again I point to the VFL how does Coburg or Collingwood or Geelong field teams week in week out?

Tiger, that is an insult to people on this site.  You obviously haven’t been around long enough to see the AFL/WAFL passion from posters here.  Also, there has been a thousand ideas (some good, some bad)on how change would be of benefit to the game.
As for your arguments:
- better team morale - cannot see your point here
- maybe, but I don’t think so in the long term
- how would 2 teams improve the league standard?
- as above
The thing is, that we simply don’t have the population of Victoria.  Do you really think the AFL would increase the lists so that the WA teams could run a team each in the local league.....don’t think so.  Make no mistake, this concept would slowly decimate the WAFL even further over a few years.

Mate I have been on this site probably longer than you! I have had a variety of names but I would estimate I would be one of the longest contributors.

My point about better team morale is that the players (from west coast and Freo) would get to know each other better by playing for the same outfit and not going back to their WAFL club if they are dropped.

The two teams would improve the standard of the league because there would be a better standard of players coming in to it. The effect of that would be younger newer WAFL players are playing against better players and improving faster. All good for WA footy.

The AFL agreed to Collingwood and Geelong both having teams in the VFL so they would have no argument for not allowing a west coast and a dockers side in the WAFL.

I am a big fan of the WAFL, I go to almost every game Claremont play. The opportunity is there to get supporters who cant even get in to a west coast game to a WAFL game.

I dont understand what you blokes fear? and why you are so anti change, anti AFL. If you hate the weagles and dockers this would be a good thing because you would LOVE it if East Freo or Perth beat them!

The only reason this change hasnt happened is because the WAFC is a toothless tiger and couldn’t organise a little league game.

Bottom line is the WAFL couldnt get any worse. There has been a small improvement but it is a SMALL improvement and it needs a major overhaul.

TIGER10 - 26 December 2009 09:22 PM

The two teams would improve the standard of the league because there would be a better standard of players coming in to it. The effect of that would be younger newer WAFL players are playing against better players and improving faster. All good for WA footy.

This bit of your argument is wrong. The Eagles and Dockers reserve players are already in the WAFL system. By adding 2 new teams to the WAFL just to cater for them (and taking them off the other clubs) you are diluting the talent pool and thereby decreasing the standard.

TIGER10 - 26 December 2009 09:22 PM

I am a big fan of the WAFL, I go to almost every game Claremont play. The opportunity is there to get supporters who cant even get in to a west coast game to a WAFL game.

How many extra bums on seats did Claremont get when they were the Eagles host club in 1999? My guess is none. It wouldn’t work.

TIGER10 - 26 December 2009 09:22 PM

Mate I have been on this site probably longer than you! I have had a variety of names but I would estimate I would be one of the longest contributors.

Being on the site a long time is one thing. “Contributing” is another.

Your previous incarnation GOTIGERS came up with some pearlers such as this thread - which gave me no end of pleasure once you choked out of the grand final 1 month later

http://www.footygoss.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/7975/P60/

I agree with “Dave”, it would only dilute the player depth. And why would a WAFL club want to develop juniors only to see them play against them?
Imagine the anti-social behaviour from Eagles and Docker supporters after they’ve had a couple of full strength beers at a WAFL ground instead of the mid strength crap served at Subiaco???
Watch the AFL over the next two years as more teams enter, the standard will fall. It’s already pissing off long term supporters by changing the rules every season. Get rid of Peel and go back to 8 teams.
Tiger10 how many times have you been to Rushton Park? Probably like me, never.

Yeah I dont mind going to Rushton Pk actually, I have been probably 7 or 8 times, I like the fact I can drive in and park behind the goals and beep the horn!! ha ha takes me back to the junior footy days!

As I have said everyone has their own opinion, my posts are mine. I have heard every argument for and against and the points you raise are nothing new or nothing I havent heard before. Your all right when you say it wont happen, I dont think it will, not in the near future anyway.

i am 50 50 on his idea...mostly because i don’t see how they can get enough players without the host club concept being apart of it again
however, as an eagles supporter, i would love the chance to see the developing guys out on the park as a unit, and what the future has in stall for the club
as a wafl suporter, i can see the pitfalls, but as stated - it works in the vfl (apparently? can anyone comment on the state of that comp with reference to host clubs?)...so it really surprises me to see how vehemently people are cracking back at big tiger10...surely the idea is not without merit?
also, i don’t think the eag/dock teams would be automatic dominators...footy is a great leveler, and the ross youngs, newicks and mcgraths would tear the eags/dock rookies a new one on their day - and i welcome them getting that experience in a team environment

Hey, here’s a thought......let’s change the name from WAFL to.....say WESTAR!!!!I need a beer!!!

Mazdon - u have to remember this site is predominately pro WAFL and most people on here are not big fans of the weagles and dockers so u can imagine their feelings on a weagles and dockers side joining the WAFL.

I expected such a reaction, I have raised the topic before and got shot down in flames.

TIGER10 take the last league Premiership side for Claremont, 1996.....take out the AFL listed/affiliated players and what’s left? You’ll see what everyone else is saying. Nothing personal.....just footy!

No offence taken! its all good back and forth banter! one of the problems with the attitude on this site and WA footy in general is too many people look back. I am not sure what going back 14 years has to do with the current situation or future development.

You could go back and find plenty of examples, the 3 flags East Perth won even this year with Souths winning courtesy of the likes of Bell and Farmer.

With any ideas you have to look at both the negatives and positives coz there will be both in any scenario and then see which there are more of. I think there would be far more positives than negatives in this idea.

And this all started from a post about Port Adelaide collapsing ha ha!