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Posted: 22 December 2009 07:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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redleg - 21 December 2009 10:12 PM

Grassy tell me where the hole in the ozone layer that was going to kill us all with skin cancers and allsorts of dire predictions about fifteens years ago has gone.

I can tell you where it is, it has fixed itself and now the greenies and the lunatic left have a new fantasy to shout about.

If the climate changes and we are all destroyed there is not a thing we humans can do about it, besides according to Nostradamus, the Mayan indians and the Egyptians we are all going to go up in smoke in 2012 so just sit back and enjoy the next three years

They took out the chloroflourocarbons from deodorants etc.  It did not fix itself.

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Posted: 22 December 2009 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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The problem with this so called climate debate is that it is not a debate at all. The overwhelming PC view is that the current state of the environment/climate etc is totally of human making and anyone who dares speak out against it is a “climate change cynic” a pariah and should at once be tied to a stake and burnt for the sin of envionmental heresy.

The clear balanced sensible view is that climate change is a naturally occurring event that has been with this planet for millennia and that what humans are doing is exasperating the change so it will be more severe. Humans are polluting their own nest and mainly due to over population which increases consumption of resource’s and the pollution resulting from the manufacturing required to satisfy the ever increasing demand for power and products.

Changes need to be made, obviously, but they should be made with care and caution because humans are only part of the problem and will only be able to provide part of the solution. We don’t want to race headlong into taking measures that will consign our children and grand children to unsustainable debt and lack of employment as the green extremists will have us do.

Australia is a high polluting nation on a per capita basis, but on the world scale like most things, we are just an insignificant blip on the radar and any measures we take will have little or no effect on the world stage. To have our so called leader running around making grandiose statements about Australia leading the way and setting targets is nothing more than the continued grandstanding and self aggrandisement that Mr Rudd finds so self pleasuring.

Lets all pause and take a deep breath before our pollies lead us down the path of economic oblivion and see what the really big polluters of the world will do ie USA, parts of Europe, India and China, because without these entities making changes anything we do as a nation is mere windowdressing.

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Posted: 22 December 2009 12:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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SeniorSeagull - 22 December 2009 12:20 PM

The problem with this so called climate debate is that it is not a debate at all. The overwhelming PC view is that the current state of the environment/climate etc is totally of human making and anyone who dares speak out against it is a “climate change cynic” a pariah and should at once be tied to a stake and burnt for the sin of envionmental heresy.

The clear balanced sensible view is that climate change is a naturally occurring event that has been with this planet for millennia and that what humans are doing is exasperating the change so it will be more severe. Humans are polluting their own nest and mainly due to over population which increases consumption of resource’s and the pollution resulting from the manufacturing required to satisfy the ever increasing demand for power and products.

Changes need to be made, obviously, but they should be made with care and caution because humans are only part of the problem and will only be able to provide part of the solution. We don’t want to race headlong into taking measures that will consign our children and grand children to unsustainable debt and lack of employment as the green extremists will have us do.

Australia is a high polluting nation on a per capita basis, but on the world scale like most things, we are just an insignificant blip on the radar and any measures we take will have little or no effect on the world stage. To have our so called leader running around making grandiose statements about Australia leading the way and setting targets is nothing more than the continued grandstanding and self aggrandisement that Mr Rudd finds so self pleasuring.

Lets all pause and take a deep breath before our pollies lead us down the path of economic oblivion and see what the really big polluters of the world will do ie USA, parts of Europe, India and China, because without these entities making changes anything we do as a nation is mere windowdressing.

With respect to the likes of India, China, Brazil etc why should they do anything when countries like Australia, US etc have failed to act?  What is wrong with Australia making a firm commitment and indeed leading the way?  Is that not preferable than being a sheep and following?  Isn’t that what leaders are supposed to do?

Perhaps you would like to offer some critical analysis of Mr Abbott’s position(s) on global warming.

Obviously you will be able to find people who will support any position.  Without going too far what happened in the second world war is disputed by some.  With respect to taking a pause on having a debate how many discussing this took the time to watch the Senate’s Committee debate?  How many of those who did think that Barnaby Joyce believes that humans have any impact on the climate?

It will be interesting to see Barnaby Joyce announce that no farmers should ever get any drought/flood/fire relief in the future as they are all natural phenomena.

With respect to the Greens’ position it is interesting to note that on balance an ETS passed with the help of the Greens is going to be more stringent than the one agreed to by the Liberals and rejected twice by the Nationals, Liberals and Independents.

Exactly how many:

(i) committees;
(ii) reports;
(iii) years

are required before we deem it appropriate to make a decision.

Finally, what is Joe Hockey’s position with respect to the ETS ligislation recently defeated in the Senate?

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Posted: 22 December 2009 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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You CLIMATE SCEPTICS can laugh all you want,but If we Don’t act soon,we WILL PAY for it.Maybe not as soon as 2012(as you Ridiculously refer to the Fantasy Horror Movie as some sort of Basis to Pour Scorn on a very REAL Probem),but we WILL PAY.

QUADRANT?BALANCED?A RIGHT WING RAG if ever I saw one.

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Posted: 22 December 2009 06:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Who was laughing… ? The sceptics are just stating their case, which I’m sure is still allowed around this joint.

You make some good points SS… and swan, just because he bagged Rudd doesn’t mean he automatically sees daylight appearing from the backside of Hockey or Abbott.

I do agree that Australia should just get their sh** together and arrive at some solution to reducing our own pollution or preventing it from increasing further. Then we can stand on the world stage and say that we have at least done something - if a lot of smaller countries start doing it, the likes of the US will eventually follow.

What I dont believe in is the proposed ETS. Us consumers will just pay more for services each time a provider gets fined or taxed. More tree planting, better recycling procedures, funding for cleaner buses / taxi’s etc, tolls for single-occupant vehicles and lots of other small, inexpensive changes can be made to get us heading in the right direction. Of course big business, mining and agriculture are challenges, but baby steps may be in order here rather than taking on the world with billions of dollars of taxes which will ultimately get paid by you and me.

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Posted: 22 December 2009 06:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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The only thing that will happen with under this ETS thingo is the poor people in the rich countries will get poorer and the rich people in the poor countries will get richer.

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Posted: 22 December 2009 07:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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ooslumbird - 22 December 2009 06:40 PM

The only thing that will happen with under this ETS thingo is the poor people in the rich countries will get poorer and the rich people in the poor countries will get richer.

If that is the case then it would be right up the alley of the National Party/Liberal Party coalition.

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Posted: 22 December 2009 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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My pleasure wellsy24.

Here is the article I was specifically referring to - (but Carter has written several)

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/03/​bob-carter-at-heartland-2

(I’m bloody hopeless at links !!)

Just go to Bing - Carter Jones Quadrant. 

Another good read is:

Bing - Wikipropaganda by Lawrence Solomon on National Review Online.

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